Barracade light problems

[xmodsnut]

the police light have more resistance than the CLL kits do and therefore the CLL are running most of the power when turned on. I am going to try and put the gen one splitter on the this and see what happens. I will let you know if it works.
well that didnt work I just tried it. would someone just watch the movie and tell me if the head and taillights flash on the Mustang

[Iche-1]

Originally Posted by Darkmagik

Do you really know what you are talking about man because i can prove that 2 CLL kits can be plugged in and still work. Better yet my evo has 2 GL kits on it and a CLL kit aswell and they all work fine. If you understood my previous post that what you wrote was pretty much what i said in the post before you.

Jon

i disagree.....but it doesnt matter. youve been ban pwn3d.


+1

[texan_idiot25]

Can I get a "Yippy kay ayyyyy mutha f****a!" - Die Hard

[bondo]

Originally Posted by texan_idiot25

Heres the shocker...

You cant use them at the same time!

Plugging 2 cll into the xmod just causes this, the xmod cant supply the both to run both their circuits.

There arent relays, its the same type of flasher circuitry thats in the cheep flashing toys and such.

Simply, one draws more power than the other, so thats why you have one CLL set that works, and the other doesnt so well. Could be some internal work that limits voltage to them, I dunno. You can attempt to wire both kits to one plug, and see what happens though...

this may also come as a shaocker to you but guess what..?
"flasher circutry" is made from....get this.....RELAYS along with resistors to make up the CL board.


so riddle me this MR. wizard, why can i plug in two CLL sets with one containing an extra four LED's?

for the record, the headlights are smoked so it appears dimmr then the lightbar.

[texan_idiot25]

Relays are mechanical, what small flash circuits use, isnt a relay. Too large. How do I know this? Ive built small circuits like that before, for a traffic light project for a friend.

Hey wizzard, why dont you at the very least show that its got two CLL kits on. Even xmodification runs that many lights on the same CLL kit.

[bondo]

well let's see. there's mechanical relays and there's electrical.
mechanical relays are used for 12v systems and electrical are used for less.
a mechanical relay works from its own system to cut the power in intervals.(turn signals)
this is a mechanical relay.


an electrical uses arcs to create the strobe.
electrical relays use fillaments to create the strobe. once the fillament gets hot enough, the wire seperates. when it cools off it re connects completing the curcuit.(think blinking christmas lights)


now as far as your query on my light setup....here's your answer.

and i know your going to say..."well how do we know that that's the same setup?"
you dont but here's something to think about.
how about THREE CLL's on one board???


and just so there's no one that thinks there's some trickery here. i seperated the three so you can follow the wires.
if i had another gen1 splice i would hook up the headlights in the truck as well.
that's a total of 13 lights on three curcuits hooked to one EVO

[texan_idiot25]

But what xmods flashers use (under assumtion, since niether you or I actually have the kit), which is the simplest flasher use for the most part transister circuits. I dont have that stuff with me, im outta town.

As for your truck, thats nice, but explain how my xtruck on regular aaa's refuse to run two CLL kits. I can imagine a 2s2p lith setup could supply it though

[bondo]

Originally Posted by texan_idiot25

But what xmods flashers use (under assumtion, since niether you or I actually have the kit), which is the simplest flasher use for the most part transister circuits. I dont have that stuff with me, im outta town.

As for your truck, thats nice, but explain how my xtruck on regular aaa's refuse to run two CLL kits. I can imagine a 2s2p lith setup could supply it though

i have no idea why your lights arent working properly. maybe theres a pin slipping from the nub. sometimes after putting them in and pulling them out, a prong will wiggle loose inside the nub(plug).
if you would like me to go out and take a pic of the batts tray i would be glad. there's nothing but 3 RS Nimh's and an energizer.

saying that a light system uses a transistor is pretty vague though.
every electrical component uses atleast one form of transistor.
hell, fets are a form of transistor.
but your right, transistors can be used as switches. i dont know what they use in the CL but back to the original point, there's no reason that his CLL's should be interferring with one another.
if power draw was the issue then the headlight/taillights would strobe on the "off" end of the strobe of the lightbar.

EDIT: no need to take a pic of the batts tray. you can see the RS batts in the first pic in the series.

[texan_idiot25]

This is what I mean by a simple transister one, thats the type ive done before: http://wild-bohemian.com/electronics/flasher.html

As for the trucks running CLL kits, more or less could be factory defect. PH2T has run a 3 cell li-po pack in his evo car flawlessly for a long while, back in the day. Yet, a 3 cell lipo pack is more than likelly gonna blow up your average evo board

[123Vette]

i still dont get how you can wire that many lights up plz bondo can u give exact directions

[texan_idiot25]

You can run them off a single CLL kit, thats been done many times before, what we were argueing/debating was of two CLL kits off the same evo ep.

Basically, just wire more LEDs to the CLL board.

[123Vette]

ccl board ill say equals the light ep but i no that but how do u plug 2 in is what im asking.

[bondo]

there's 2 ports in the EVO series.
i added a third with the Gen1 splitter.
with LED's you can add almost as many as you want as long as you run them parralell.
you can wire LED's in series but the stability becomes an issue and if you dont like fried diodes then stay away from series.
the draw from a single LED is so minimal that most systems dont even recognize the power drain. espescially in high drain applications like Xmods or cameras.
i'm not a math wiz or anything but i would imagine that you could run a CL on the xmod 4.8v for about 12 hours before they started to dim.

and yea tex i can understand that. i fried a steering fet on one board, put in a new board with the same setup(bigger servo motor and 24g wire) and it seems to be working fine.

[BART]

This is good stuff. But have you simply tried swapping the dim set to the plug that is bright? If the set that was dim stays dim and the set that was bright stays you could then determine if the board is struggling to supply power to the lights (which i doubt and i think has been proved above by the very detailed and informative posts). I know you said that when you unplug the one set all is fine but try swapping them...maybe the dim set is internally screwed and introducing excessive resistance to the system.

[xmodmaverick]

I can run 2 light kits on my saleen. I didn't alter the power input any. It might be that the light bar kit uses more power.

Oh, and FYI, I've been gone a while, been busy with summer stuff, so, I'm back.

And one last thing. can i get a pic of the actual light kit without the heat shrink on it? It'd be really helpful, thanks.

[bondo]

Originally Posted by xmodmaverick

I can run 2 light kits on my saleen. I didn't alter the power input any. It might be that the light bar kit uses more power.

Oh, and FYI, I've been gone a while, been busy with summer stuff, so, I'm back.

And one last thing. can i get a pic of the actual light kit without the heat shrink on it? It'd be really helpful, thanks.

if your talking about the standard EVO CLL i can get you a pic of one opened within minutes.
if your talking about the flasher unit then your going to have to rely on someone that has one..
let me know.

[texan_idiot25]

4x4daddy has one

[xmodmaverick]

yeah, I need a pic of the police light kit. I know what the normal CLL ones look like. Thanks anyways though.